Hi Gary,
I have a problem with the way statisticians are conveying the Covid probabilities to us.
If a vaccine is 90% effective and I work in a supermarket and I am vaccinated, then statistically every 10th positive person that passes me will give me Covid.
That means it’s 100% certain that I will catch Covid from the community as it spreads through the population. Not 10%.
People don't understand this and the statisticians don't explain it to us. If my mask is HN95 that will help.
It’s a numbers game. Eventually, I will get Covid because I serve hundreds of people. It’s a bit like speeding.
There is a small chance that I will get caught each time I speed, but if I always speed it is 100% certain that I will get caught.
In an MTB race, if there is a 2% chance that I will get a puncture, then after 50 races it is statistically expected that I will have 1 puncture.
It’s a numbers game. Eventually, a puncture is 100% certain. So with a 90% vaccine, sooner or later we will all get it unless we never go out. Vaccinated people think they are 90% safe, but that’s bulls hit.
Each time you pass an infected person you are 90% safe, but the 10th person will get you.
Over a long period of time of being in the community, we are 0% safe.
We are being hoodwinked by the statisticians.
They are telling us to get the Booster to make us safe, but it's a numbers game.
We have spent $70b so far, but we are losing the battle.
Lies, damn lies & statistics.
Marco Renalli
An authoritative contact I was discussing the logical framing of vaccine effectiveness with, recommended this paper:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8057721/
"COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room"
Piero Olliaro, Els Torreele, and Michel Vaillant - July 2021
By the way, I think Marco Renalli was someone I used to encounter while both on road racing bikes commuting or training, 30 years ago.
Problem is that either a) the 'maiming and dying' is not being reported, assessed, validated, etc and the information therefore not going forward to Ministry / Medsafe etc as part of the CARM processes, or b) the information is being reported, as part of the process, but is being withheld from the public for reasons best known to the Minister of Health. Any event, without the whole CARM processes being mandatory and taken seriously at the clinical level, you are but a 'voice in the wilderness' Gary. Immense credit to you for trying your best to do something about it ..
And while we talk, people are dying and being maimed: I have been in touch with two mor people in the last 24 hrs with serious heart issues post. Stop this genocide now then argue the stats!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Several of Marco's facts and assumptions are wrong - but hes on the right track! Speaking personally, I am thoroughly disappointed at the level of information dished out by Ministry of Health, the Covid Websites and Mr Hipkins - because a) it is utterly skewed towards 'Cases' - and, simply, does NOT provide a fuller picture of the various factors which input to stats and scope of current 'state of Covid'' in NZ
In my view, the official information is, in effect. partial information - or actually, misinformation. They (being MOH etc) must think Kiwis are stupid. We are not. Frankly: Disappointed. I guess they are 'doing their best'
After all, there has been a terrific amount of uncertainty over…
Hi Marco... Sadly the level of misrepresentation of risk reduction is much worse than many of us could imagine even in our wildest nightmares.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7996517/
... quoted from this link...
"Based on data reported by the manufacturer for Pfzier/BioNTech vaccine BNT162b2, this critical appraisal shows: relative risk reduction, 95.1%; 95% CI, 90.0% to 97.6%; p = 0.016; absolute risk reduction, 0.7%; 95% CI, 0.59% to 0.83%; p < 0.000."
5. Conclusions A critical appraisal of phase III clinical trial data for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine BNT162b2 and Moderna vaccine mRNA-1273 shows that absolute risk reduction measures are very much lower than the reported relative risk reduction measures. Yet, the manufacturers failed to report absolute risk reduction measures in publicly released documents. As…